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In this episode: - Catherine Pakaluk joins the podcast to discuss her forthcoming book, Hannah’s Children, about women having large families amongst a culture of childlessness - the limits of economic and family policy in reversing the falling birthrates, and what really drives our demographic decline - Marlo and Catherine talk about the various joys and challenges that come with motherhood, both of one child and of many children Texts Mentioned: Hannah’s Children: The Stories of Women Quietly Defying the Birth Dearth by Catherine Pakaluk The Birth Dearth by Ben Wattenberg “Jordan Peterson Interviews Presidential Candidate Vivek Ramaswamy” Coming Apart by Charles Murray Get Married by Brad Wilcox The Two Parent Privilege by Melissa Kearney Become a Member: https://isi.org/join-community/ Support ISI: https://isi.org/donate/ Upcoming ISI Events: https://isi.org/events/