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John Mark Comer on the Crisis in Discipleship and Why Church Services Aren't Resonating

In Part 5 of the Church Trends series, John Mark Comer talks about the crisis in discipleship. John Mark also dives into the stages of spiritual growth, why weekend services and sermons aren't resonating like they used to, and how to determine your real motives. John Mark Comer and Carey discuss what's wrong with today's church services and why they're perhaps not enough, and why John Mark's no longer traveling and speaking. FREE 2024 CHURCH TRENDS TEAM GUIDE: https://careynieuwhof.com/church-tren... ---------- Welcome to The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast, a podcast about leadership, change, and personal growth. I hope this episode helps you thrive in life and leadership. Subscribe to my channel so you don't miss any of the newest episodes:    / @careynieuwhof   Find the show notes and more at http://careynieuwhof.com/episode626 Follow me for the latest leadership insights:   / careynieuwhof     / cnieuwhof     / cnieuwhof   TikTok: @careyniuewhof Interested in what gear I use to record my podcast? I list all of the equipment in this blog post: https://careynieuwhof.com/the-home-st... ---------- Brought to you by: 2024 CHURCH TRENDS TEAM GUIDE After years of chaos and heartache for many church leaders, it’s a great time to look to the future. The horizon ahead isn’t all roses, but at least it’s addressable.  You can get my exclusive 7 church trends to watch in 2024, insights, and a team guide for FREE at https://careynieuwhof.com/church-tren... SUBSPLASH Growing churches focus on discipleship in our digital world and your church can be one of them. Join 17,000 other churches partnering with Subsplash to make disciples in a hybrid reality at https://subsplash.com/carey and receive a $500 credit when you sign up. Intro Music: Song: Alexey Anisimov - Always Be Beautiful Music provided by Tunetank. Free Download: https://tunetank.com/track/4144-alway... ---------- Chapters 0:00:00 - John Mark Comer and the Sunday Service 0:01:10 - Welcome to the podcast 0:02:21 - Stepping down from leading a church 0:06:30 - The shadow side of the church model 0:14:48 - Why church is underwhelming 0:35:48 - Moving through the stages of spiritual formation 0:50:47 - Determining our motivations 1:09:50 - Practicing the way 1:21:00 - Training versus trying