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The ultimate guide to JTBD | Bob Moesta (co-creator of the framework)

Bob Moesta is the co-creator of the Jobs To Be Done (JTBD) framework, a close collaborator of Clay Christensen, and CEO and founder of The Re-Wired Group. He has helped launch more than 3,500 new products, services, and businesses and built and sold several startups himself. He is also a fellow at the Clayton Christensen Institute and a guest lecturer at the Harvard Business School, MIT Sloan School of Entrepreneurship, and Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management. In this episode, we discuss: • What Snickers and Milky Way can teach us about JTBD • The various flavors of the JTBD framework • Best practices for implementing the framework • Advice on conducting interviews for B2B vs. B2C customers • Common mistakes people make when implementing JTBD • When not to use it — Brought to you by Sidebar—Catalyze your career with a Personal Board of Directors: https://www.sidebar.com/?utm_source=l... | Merge—A single API to add hundreds of integrations into your app: https://merge.dev/sponsorships/lennys... | Eppo—Run reliable, impactful experiments: https://www.geteppo.com/ Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/th... Where to find Bob Moesta: • Twitter/X:   / bmoesta   • LinkedIn:   / bobmoesta   • Website: http://www.therewiredgroup.com/ • Podcast: https://pca.st/gg6goo1n Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • Twitter/X:   / lennysan   • LinkedIn:   / lennyrachitsky   In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Bob’s background (04:04) What is the Jobs To Be Done framework (07:29) Struggling moments and demand (11:14) Reducing friction in the sales process (14:46) How Autobooks improved their buying process and 4x’ed conversion (16:52) The six phases of the buying process (18:30) The JTBD interview process (21:55) How Bob’s TBI affected his reading/writing (22:02) Why people switch companies (27:18) JTBD interviewing (30:07) Discussion guides (32:48) The danger of looking at the customer through the product (33:53) First steps in applying the JTBD framework (36:25) Signs people are ready for a change (37:43) Bob’s “layers of language” (40:15) Examples of companies with broad adoption of JTBD (43:59) The different flavors of JTBD (48:19) Bob’s work with Clay Christensen on JTBD theory (51:05) When not to use JTBD (53:40) Common misconceptions about the framework (55:55) What compelled Bob to spend so much of his life on JTBD (58:07) Takeaways (59:07) Lightning round Referenced: • Jason Fried on LinkedIn:   / jason-fried   • Des Traynor on LinkedIn:   / destraynor   • Southern New Hampshire University: https://degrees.snhu.edu/ • Paul LeBlanc on LinkedIn:   / paul-j-leblanc-6a17749   • Demand-Side Sales 101: Stop Selling and Help Your Customers Make Progress: https://www.amazon.com/Demand-Side-Sa... • Autobooks: https://www.autobooks.co/ • Intercom: https://www.intercom.com/ • Zendesk: https://www.zendesk.com/ • HubSpot: https://www.hubspot.com/ • The Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University: https://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/ • Y Combinator: https://www.ycombinator.com/ • Michael Horn on LinkedIn:   / michaelbhorn   • Ethan Bernstein on LinkedIn:   / ethanbernstein   • Never Split the Difference: Negotiating as If Your Life Depended on It: https://www.amazon.com/Never-Split-Di... • William Edwards Deming on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwa... • Basecamp: https://basecamp.com/ • Sriram and Aarthi on Lenny’s Podcast: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/hot-tak... • Genichi Taguchi: https://www.qualitygurus.com/genichi-... • Tony Ulwick on LinkedIn:   / tonyulwick   • The Clayton Christensen Institute on LinkedIn:   / clayton-christensen-institute   • Shape Up: https://basecamp.com/shapeup • The End of Average: Unlocking Our Potential by Embracing What Makes Us Different: https://www.amazon.com/End-Average-Un... • The Big Bang Theory on TBS: https://www.tbs.com/shows/the-big-ban... • Oppenheimer: https://www.oppenheimermovie.com/ • Kyota massage chairs at Costco: https://www.costco.com/massage-chairs... • Paul Adams on LinkedIn:   / pauladams   • Matt Hodges on LinkedIn:   / mattnhodges   Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email [email protected].